Police Timeline Testimony 2

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Q WHEN YOU WENT BACK TO RE-ENTER THE LOCATION, TO RE-ENTER THE CONDOMINIUM, WHERE DID OFFICER RISKE AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS GO?
Fuhrman: I BELIEVE THEY WALKED BACK TO DOROTHY.
Q OKAY. AT THAT POINT HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN AT THE CRIME SCENE?
Fuhrman: MAYBE FIFTEEN MINUTES AT THE MOST.
Q OKAY. AND WHAT WERE YOU WEARING AT THAT TIME?
Fuhrman: A BLUE BLAZER, TAN SLACKS, WHITE SHIRT.

0230
Q OKAY. YOU THEN WENT INTO THE CONDOMINIUM; IS THAT CORRECT?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q WHERE DID YOU GO TO?
Fuhrman: THE COUCH DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT OR THE SOUTH OF THE FRONT DOOR.
Q WHEN YOU SAT ON THAT COUCH, WAS THE FRONT DOOR OPEN, SIR?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q WAS THERE ANYONE OUTSIDE THE LOCATION ON THE LANDING AT THAT TIME?
Fuhrman: NO.
Q AND WHEN YOU SAT DOWN TO BEGIN WRITING YOUR NOTES, WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU WERE SEPARATED FROM DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND OFFICER RISKE?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q AND AT THAT POINT HAD THE GLOVE AND THE CAP UNDERNEATH THE BUSH ALREADY BEEN POINTED OUT TO YOU FROM THE FRONT GATE AREA AND THEN AGAIN FROM THE LANDING AREA OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR BY OFFICER RISKE?
Fuhrman:YES.
Q NOW, WAS OFFICER RISKE THE ONLY ONE THAT POINTED THINGS OUT TO YOU, SIR, OR WERE THERE OTHER OFFICERS THAT POINTED THINGS OUT WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY?
Fuhrman: JUST OFFICER RISKE.
Q NOW, YOU FOUND "THE STEREO WAS PLAYING AND THE LIGHTS WERE LOW, THE CANDLES WERE LIT IN THE LIVING ROOM AND IN THE UPSTAIRS BATHROOM" ACCORDING TO YOUR NOTES?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q DID THAT INDICATE TO YOU ANYTHING TO YOU IN TERMS OF INFORMATION USEFUL TO THE INVESTIGATION OF THESE MURDERS?
Fuhrman: AT THAT POINT I WOULD CONCLUDE THAT SOMEONE WAS HOME AT THAT TIME AND SOMEONE WAS PREPARING POSSIBLY TO TAKE A BATH, SOMEONE WAS LISTENING TO MUSIC.
Q ITEM NO. 5 YOU INDICATE, "THERE IS A HANDWRITTEN NOTE ON THE UPSTAIRS COFFEE TABLE" WHICH YOU QUOTE AS "CARA WITH A PHONE NUMBER, CALIFORNIA PIZZA KITCHEN"?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q AND WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT?
Fuhrman: THERE IS AN UPSTAIRS -- I THINK IT WOULD BE DESCRIBED BEST AS A FAMILY ROOM AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOVE THE GARAGE. I THINK YOU STEPPED UP FROM THE KITCHEN AREA OR THAT HALL AREA, BUT IT WAS ON THE COFFEE TABLE.
Q AND THE PIZZA MENU BY THE FEMALE VICTIM'S LEFT LEG. DO YOU RECALL -- CAN YOU TELL US -- DID YOU BEND DOWN AND ACTUALLY READ THAT IT WAS A PIZZA MENU OR WAS THAT AT FIRST GLANCE DESCRIPTION?
Fuhrman: I THINK THAT WAS AT FIRST GLANCE THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
MS. CLARK: OKAY.
====== Q ITEM NO. 13, "AT THE REAR GATE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE." IS THAT NORTH? "N SLASH S"; IS THAT RIGHT?
Fuhrman: NORTH SIDE.
Q "TWO BLOOD SPOTS AT THE BOTTOM INSIDE OF THE GATE." IS THAT WHAT YOU DESCRIBED AS HAVING SEEN IN YOUR TESTIMONY EARLIER YESTERDAY?
Fuhrman: YES, IT IS.
Q NOW, WHEN YOU SAY, "THIS AREA MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHERE DOG WAS KEPT," WHEN YOU SAY "THIS AREA," WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
Fuhrman: THE PATHWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE, IT HAD GATES AT BOTH ENDS, AND SINCE THE DOG WAS LOOSE AND I HAD ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT, I JUST MADE A NOTE THAT THIS COULD BE THE AREA THAT THE DOG WAS KEPT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT DIDN'T LIVE IN THE HOME.
Q OKAY. WHEN YOU SAY THE NORTH -- THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU MEAN THAT WALKWAY THAT LEADS FROM THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE TO THE REAR ALLEY?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q OKAY. AND YOU WERE SPECULATING TO YOURSELF THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THE DOG WAS KEPT?
Fuhrman: YES, MA'AM.
Q AND THEN IT SAYS, "SUSPECT RAN THROUGH THIS AREA. SUSPECT POSSIBLY BITTEN BY DOG," QUESTION MARK. WHEN YOU SAY "SUSPECT RAN THROUGH THIS AREA," THAT WAS BASED ON WHAT?
Fuhrman: WELL, THERE WAS THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS -- WESTBOUND AWAY FROM THE LANDING AND THE VICTIMS. THERE WAS BLOOD DROPS TO THE LEFT OF THOSE SHOEPRINTS. I PUT THAT IN MY NOTES TO MAKE MYSELF REMEMBER THAT A DOG WAS PROBABLY IN THAT AREA AND FOR MYSELF TO WONDER IF MAYBE THE DOG BIT THE SUSPECT.
============ Q BY MS. CLARK: ITEM NO. 15, YOU HAVE, "REAR GATE INSIDE, DEAD BOLT TURN KNOB TYPE," AND WHAT ARE YOU DESCRIBING THERE, SIR?
Fuhrman: THE TYPE OF CONVENTIONAL KNOB ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE GATE IS A LOCKING MECHANISM AND ON THE INSIDE OF THE GATE WOULD BE A TURN KNOB. IN OTHER WORDS, THE KEY WOULD BE USED ON THE EXTERIOR AND A TURN KNOB. IF YOU ARE IN THE INSIDE, YOU WOULD NOT NEED A KEY, YOU WOULD JUST TURN A KNOB, SIMILAR TO A DEAD BOLT STYLE ON A HOUSE.
===== Who's Fingerprint ======= Q OKAY. AND THEN YOU SAID HERE, "POSSIBLE BLOOD SMUDGE AND VISIBLE FINGERPRINT." CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE? I BELIEVE YOU ADDRESSED THAT EARLIER IN YOUR TESTIMONY. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU SAW THAT CAUSED YOU TO WRITE THAT?
Fuhrman: YES. ON THE INSIDE WHERE I DESCRIBED THE DEAD BOLT STYLE LOCK ON THE INSIDE OR THE EAST SIDE OF THE GATE, THE -- ON THE TURN -- TURN KNOB THERE LOOKED -- IT IS BRASS, BRASS-PLATED, IT LOOKED TO BE BLOOD SMUDGE ON THAT LEADING TO WHAT I SAW MIGHT BE A POSSIBLE FINGERPRINT OR A PARTIAL FINGERPRINT.
================ ITEM NO. 16, "BLOODY PAW PRINTS OF LARGE DOG LEADING FROM THE RESIDENCE SOUTHBOUND ON THE SIDEWALK APPROXIMATELY SIXTY FEET SOUTH OF THE RESIDENCE." CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING THERE?
Fuhrman: YES. COMING OUT OF THE FRONT OF THE WALKWAY WHERE ALL THE BLOOD WAS -- WAS FLOWING DOWN TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK, THERE WAS CANINE PAW PRINTS LEADING SOUTHBOUND ON THE WALK TOWARDS DOROTHY AND I APPROXIMATED THAT THE PAW PRINTS WERE VISIBLE FOR SIXTY FEET.
Q OKAY. AND THAT WAS YOUR PERSONAL OBSERVATION, SIR?
Fuhrman: YES, IT WAS.
=== Is this self serving ? === Q AND ITEM 17 YOU WROTE, "SKI MASK, ONE GLOVE BY FEET OF MALE VICTIM." AND AGAIN CAN YOU TELL US, WAS THAT YOUR PERSONAL OBSERVATION?
Fuhrman: YES, IT WAS, BOTH DIRECTED BY OFFICER RISKE AND MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION.
Q SO THAT WAS A COMBINATION OF OFFICER RISKE'S INFORMATION TO YOU AND YOUR OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION?
Fuhrman: YES.
=============== Q WHAT KIND OF OBSERVATION DID YOU HAVE OF THE OBJECT YOU WERE DESCRIBING AT THE TIME YOU WROTE THAT NOTE, ITEM 17?
Fuhrman: WELL, IT APPEARED TO BE WHAT I USUALLY DESCRIBE AS A SKI CAP OR A SKI MASK AND IT LOOKED DULL, CLOTH AND THAT IS WHAT I CONCLUDED IT COULD POSSIBLY BE, AND THE GLOVE WAS FAIRLY OBVIOUS, THAT IT APPEARED TO BE A LEATHER TYPE GLOVE.
Q SO AT THE POINT THAT YOU WROTE THAT NOTE, YOU HAD NOT WALKED UP INTO THE CRIME SCENE AND STEPPED UP TO THE BUSH TO LOOK AT IT?
Fuhrman: NO, I HADN'T.
==== Fuhrman's alibi ==== Q THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE SHOWED YOU YESTERDAY OF YOU POINTING TO THE ITEMS UNDERNEATH THAT BUSH, WHEN WAS THAT TAKEN, SIR?
Fuhrman: I BELIEVE THAT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 7:00 OR 7:15 THAT MORNING.
Q AT THAT POINT, SIR, HAD YOU ALREADY BEEN TO ROCKINGHAM AND COME BACK TO BUNDY?
Fuhrman: YES, MA'AM.
================= Q SO AT THE POINT THAT YOU WROTE THE SKI MASK, HOW CLOSE HAD YOU GOTTEN TO THAT ITEM?
Fuhrman: NO CLOSER THAN THE LANDING WHERE I OBSERVED THE TWO VICTIMS FROM WHERE THE FIRST SHOEPRINT --
Q THAT WAS THE CLOSEST OBSERVATION YOU HAD AT THAT POINT?
Fuhrman: YES.
THE COURT: MISS CLARK, YOU MADE REFERENCE TO A PHOTOGRAPH WHERE DETECTIVE FUHRMAN WAS POINTING. DO YOU KNOW WHICH EXHIBIT THAT WAS? I'M JUST SUGGESTING TO CLEAR THAT UP IN THE RECORD LATER.
THE CLERK: 55.
THE COURT: 55. CONSENSUS SEEMS TO BE PEOPLE'S 55.
=== Fuhrman brings Roberts "up to speed"=== Q BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. SO YOU GOT AS FAR AS ITEM NO. 17 DOCUMENTING YOUR OBSERVATION OF A SKI MASK, ONE GLOVE BY THE FEET OF THE MALE VICTIM. HAD YOU COMPLETED YOUR NOTES AT THAT POINT? WERE YOU ALL DONE? Fuhrman: NO.
Q WHAT HAPPENED TO INTERRUPT YOU?
Fuhrman: WELL, BEFORE -- WHILE I WAS STILL WRITING MY NOTES, DETECTIVE ROBERTS ENTERED, HE HAD JUST ARRIVED ON SCENE AND HE CAME INTO THE -- INTO THE LIVING ROOM, HE WAS DIRECTED BY DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, AND HE SAID, "CAN YOU UPDATE ME OR BRING ME UP TO SPEED?" I DID THAT BRIEFLY. I TOLD HIM -- I INFORMED HIM WHAT I HAD SEEN IN THE HOUSE. I TOOK HIM ONTO THE LANDING VERY QUICKLY, POINTED OUT THERE WAS A GLOVE, A CAP, THERE WAS A MALE VICTIM, A FEMALE VICTIM, A MENU. I SHOWED HIM THE SHOEPRINTS. I WALKED HIM BACK THE PATH. I SHOWED HIM ON THE GATE THE BLOOD. AND THIS IS AT THIS TIME IS WHEN DETECTIVE ROBERTS AND I BOTH SAW THE SMUDGE AND THAT POSSIBLE VISIBLE FINGERPRINT. DETECTIVE ROBERTS IS A DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO WEST L.A. HOMICIDE WHO I NORMALLY WORK WITH AS A PARTNER.

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Q OKAY. AT THAT POINT, WHEN YOU SAW DETECTIVE ROBERTS, YOU HAD BEEN AT THE SCENE FOR HOW LONG?
Fuhrman: I STILL SAY THAT WOULD BE FIFTEEN MINUTES WHEN I WAS WRITING MY NOTES. THE WALK THROUGH WITH HIM COULDN'T HAVE TAKEN MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR MINUTES.

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Q OKAY. AFTER YOU WALKED HIM THROUGH THE REAR GATE OUT TO THE DRIVEWAY AREA, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
Fuhrman: I WALKED HIM OUT THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY. I POINTED OUT THE BLOOD DROP, CHANGE. HE ALSO LOOKED IN THE ALLEY FOR BLOOD DROPS AS WE WALKED THAT WAY. HE COULD SEE NONE. AND HE CONTINUED BACK TO DOROTHY TO WALK OUT TO THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE AND STAND WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS.
============== Q OKAY. SO DID YOU BOTH THEN WALK OUT THERE TO THE FRONT OF THE LOCATION?
Fuhrman: NO. I RETURNED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE RESIDENCE TO FINISH WHAT I WAS PREVIOUSLY DOING, WRITING MY NOTES.

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Q OKAY. AND AT ITEM 17 HAD YOU COMPLETED YOUR NOTES?
Fuhrman: NO.
Q WERE YOU AGAIN INTERRUPTED?
Fuhrman: YES. DETECTIVE PHILLIPS ENTERED FROM THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE AND HE CAME IN AND INFORMED ME THAT ROBBERY/HOMICIDE WOULD BE TAKING OVER THE INVESTIGATION.
Q OKAY. AND HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN SITTING ON THE COUCH WRITING WHEN YOU WERE INTERRUPTED THAT SECOND TIME BY DETECTIVE PHILLIPS?
Fuhrman: MAYBE ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES, MAYBE AS MUCH AS TEN.
Q AND WHEN DETECTIVE PHILLIPS INFORMED YOU THAT ROBBERY/HOMICIDE WAS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE CASE, WHAT DID YOU DO?
Fuhrman: I TOLD RON OR DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, I SAID, "LET ME FINISH THESE NOTES AND THEN I WILL TURN THEM OVER TO YOU." HE SAYS, "OKAY, FINISH THE NOTES AND THEN GIVE THEM TO ME AND I WILL GIVE THEM TO ROBBERY/HOMICIDE."
Q AND DID YOU THEN COMPLETE YOUR NOTES?
Fuhrman: YES.
===================== Q SO ITEM 17, WAS THAT MEANT TO BE YOUR LAST ENTRY IN YOUR NOTES AT THAT TIME?
Fuhrman: NO.
Q YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE YOUR NOTES?
Fuhrman: I DID NOT, NO. BECAUSE THE CASE WAS NO LONGER MINE.
Q OKAY. WHAT POINT WERE YOU AT WHEN DETECTIVE PHILLIPS INTERRUPTED YOU IN WRITING? HAD YOU FINISHED ITEM 17 YET OR HAD YOU -- WERE YOU IN THE MIDDLE?
Fuhrman: WELL, I DON'T KNOW -- AT THE END OF ITEM 17 I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL OTHER DETAILS ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS AND STARTED SETTING UP WHO I NEEDED TO CONTACT AT THIS SCENE TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS CRIME SCENE.
Q OKAY. WHEN HE INFORMED YOU OF THAT, SIR, HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN AT THE CRIME SCENE?
Fuhrman: ABOUT A HALF HOUR.
Q DID HE TURN AROUND AND LEAVE THEN AND YOU SAT AND FINISHED YOUR NOTES AT THAT POINT?
Fuhrman: YES.

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Q AND WHAT DID YOU DO THEN?
Fuhrman: I WENT BACK OUT THROUGH THE GARAGE SOUTH ON THE ALLEY, DOWN DOROTHY TO BUNDY, AND REMAINED IN THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE OR THE STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY AND WAITED FOR ROBBERY/HOMICIDE'S ARRIVAL.
Q OKAY. SO DID DETECTIVE PHILLIPS COME IN AND INFORM YOU ROBBERY/HOMICIDE WAS GOING TO TAKE OVER AND THEN EXIT AGAIN?
Fuhrman: YES. I THINK HE MADE AN INDICATION THAT HE HAD TALKED TO CHIEF FRANKLE AND HE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE BEST IF ROBBERY/HOMICIDE HANDLED THE CASE.
Q FOR HOW LONG BEFORE YOU EXITED THE RESIDENCE?
Fuhrman: OH, I DON'T THINK I -- I PROBABLY HAD JUST TWO OR THREE ITEMS LEFTTHAT WAS CURRENTLY ON MY MIND THAT I NEEDED TO PUT DOWN THAT I THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT.
Q OKAY. SO HOW LONG IN TERMS OF TIME WAS THAT?
Fuhrman: OH, A MINUTE, TWO MINUTES AT THE MOST.
Q SO YOU REMAINED A MINUTE OR TWO MINUTES AFTER DETECTIVE PHILLIPS ADVISED YOU RHD WAS TAKING OVER THE CASE?
Fuhrman: RIGHT. I JUST PUT DOWN THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD WHEN HE WALKED IN AND I STOPPED.

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Q WHO WERE YOU WITH AT THAT TIME?
Fuhrman: DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, LIEUTENANT SPANGLER, THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF WEST L.A. DETECTIVES. I BELIEVE A PHOTOGRAPHER HAD ARRIVED, I'M NOT POSITIVE ON THAT, AND THEN THERE IS POLICEMEN, A SUPERVISOR, UNIFORMED PERSONNEL.
Q QUITE A FEW OFFICERS AROUND BY THAT TIME, WERE THERE? Fuhrman: YES. I BELIEVE DETECTIVE ROBERTS WAS STILL THERE AND DETECTIVE NOLAN WAS STILL THERE.
Q AND WERE THEY ALL STANDING WITH YOU OUTSIDE?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q AND WHAT DID DO YOU WHEN YOU CAME BACK OUTSIDE AND WENT TO THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY?
Fuhrman: NOTHING.
Q BY MS. CLARK: NOW, WERE YOU STILL HOLDING YOUR NOTES WHEN YOU CAME BECOME OUTSIDE?
Fuhrman: I GAVE THEM TO DETECTIVE PHILLIPS IMMEDIATELY.
Q OKAY. OUTSIDE AT THE INTERSECTION THERE?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q DID YOU EVER GO BACK TO YOUR CAR? THE CAR THAT YOU DROVE IN WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS?
Fuhrman: YES. PROBABLY SOME TIME SHORTLY THEREAFTER AFTER COMING OUT OF THE RESIDENCE. PUT MY JACKET IN THE CAR.
Q AND THERE WERE -- AND WHO DID YOU SAY WAS WITH YOU, SIR?
Fuhrman: DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, I BELIEVE DETECTIVE ROBERTS WAS THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, DETECTIVE NOLAN WAS THERE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN HE LEFT, LIEUTENANT SPANGLER. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY THAT ARRIVED FROM ROBBERY/HOMICIDE, OTHER THAN THE DETECTIVES, BUT I'M NOT SURE. I REMEMBER SEEING LIEUTENANT -- I BELIEVE HE IS LIEUTENANT ROGERS THERE AT SOME TIME, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT WAS THAT EARLY.
=== Nobody insid the tape, nobody near Bundy gate, etc. === Q WAS THERE ANYONE INSIDE THE CRIME SCENE TAPE AT THAT POINT?
Fuhrman: NO.

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=== Is this a lie? When was photograph taken? 3:15-4:05 ? === Q OKAY. DID YOU GO BACK INTO THE CRIME SCENE, THAT IS, UP TO THAT GATE WHERE YOU HAD GONE EARLIER WITH OFFICER RISKE OR INTO THE HOUSE OR UP ONTO THE LANDING AGAIN?
Fuhrman: I NEVER RETURNED TO THAT CRIME SCENE.
Q AND SO YOU WAITED OUTSIDE UNTIL ROBBERY/HOMICIDE CAME?
Fuhrman: YES, MA'AM.
Q AND WHEN YOU SAW DETECTIVE VANNATTER, THAT WAS WHERE?
Fuhrman: ON THE STREET, THE SAME LOCATION.
Q WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME YOU MET?
Fuhrman: YES.I WAS INTRODUCED TO DETECTIVE VANNATTER, AS WAS RON PHILLIPS. RON PHILLIPS BRIEFED HIM ON WHAT HAD BEEN SEEN AND DONE AT THAT POINT AND DETECTIVE VANNATTER -- EXCUSE ME -- DETECTIVE PHILLIPS LED DETECTIVE VANNATTER THROUGH A CRIME SCENE WALK THROUGH.
Q OKAY. DID YOU GO WITH THEM?
Fuhrman: NO, I DIDN'T.
Q YOU REMAINED OUTSIDE?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q DID YOU EVER GO BACK INTO THE CRIME SCENE BEFORE GOING TO ROCKINGHAM LATER THAT MORNING?
Fuhrman: NO, I DIDN'T.
=== No knowing Fuhrman, Vannatter has no reason to cover for him ===

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Q SO YOU REMAINED OUT IN THE INTERSECTION AND DID YOU MEET ANYONE ELSE FROM ROBBERY/HOMICIDE AT THAT POINT?
Fuhrman: YES, DETECTIVE TOM LANGE.
Q OKAY. AND WERE YOU STILL STANDING OUTSIDE AT THE INTERSECTION WHEN HE ARRIVED?
Fuhrman: YES, I WAS.
Q WHERE WAS DETECTIVE PHILLIPS OR DETECTIVE VANNATTER?
Fuhrman: I BELIEVE THEY HAD RETURNED. DETECTIVE LANGE ARRIVED FIFTEEN, TWENTY MINUTES AFTER THEM, MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER. THEY WERE BACK OUT ON THE -- IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE.
=== Phillips leads Lange through crime scene === Q OKAY. AND WHAT HAPPENED WHEN DETECTIVE LANGE ARRIVED?
Fuhrman: DETECTIVE PHILLIPS LED HIM THROUGH THE CRIME SCENE WALK THROUGH.
Q OKAY. DID YOU GO WITH THEM?
Fuhrman: NO.
Q WHERE DID YOU GO?
Fuhrman: I REMAINED ON THE STREET.
Q NOW, ONCE RHD -- ROBBERY/HOMICIDE DIVISION HAD COME IN TO TAKE OVER THE CASE, WHAT WERE YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES?
Fuhrman: MY RESPONSIBILITIES AT THAT POINT WAS TO FOLLOW DETECTIVE PHILLIPS' ORDERS. HE SAID WE WERE GOING TO REMAIN AT THE SCENE AND IF WE COULD BE OF ASSISTANCE, AND IF NOT, WE WOULD BE RELIEVED.

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Q CAN YOU TELL US WHAT LED TO YOUR DEPARTURE FROM BUNDY?
Fuhrman: I WAS STANDING IN THE -- IN THE GROUP OF DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, VANNATTER AND LANGE. DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS ON THE PHONE, A CELLULAR PHONE. WHILE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS ON THE PHONE, IT SEEMS HE INTERRUPTED HIS CONVERSATION AND HE LOOKED TO ME AND HE SAID, "CAN YOU TAKE US UP TO THE SIMPSON OR THE ROCKINGHAM HOUSE?" AND I RESPONDED, "I WENT THERE ON A RADIO CALL A LONG TIME AGO. I THINK SO." WELL, I WASN'T REAL SURE OF THE NUMBERS OR WHERE ROCKINGHAM EXACTLY WAS OFF OF SUNSET. I KNEW IT WAS OFF OF SUNSET. SO I WALKED ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND TO THE ALLEY WHERE OFFICER RISKE WAS. I ASKED OFFICER RISKE, I SAID, "DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER FOR THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION?" HE SAID, "YES," AND I BELIEVE HE CHECKED IT SOMEWAY WITH HIS PARTNER AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY USED, IF THEY HAD ALREADY THE NUMBERS OR THEY HAD RUN SOMETHING ON THE COMPUTER IN THE CAR. HE SAID, "360 NORTH." THEN I ASKED OFFICER RISKE WHAT -- "I KNOW IT IS OFF SUNSET. WHAT IS THE LAST MAJOR STREET BEFORE YOU GET THERE?" AND HE RESPONDED "CLIFFWOOD, BUT LOOK REAL QUICK BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO MISS IT IF YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER TOO QUICK." WELL, ROCKINGHAM STUCK IN MY MIND, BUT THAT END OF THE DIVISION IS PRETTY LARGE AND PRETTY CONFUSING AND I DIDN'T GO UP THERE IN THAT AREA OF THE DIVISION MUCH AT ALL IN PATROL OR DETECTIVES.
Q YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHY YOU WERE GOING TO ROCKINGHAM THAT NIGHT?
Fuhrman: WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE AT THAT POINT. I WENT BACK TO ASK OFFICER RISKE SO I WAS SURE THAT I GAVE PROPER DIRECTIONS.
Q SO DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE GOING TO ROCKINGHAM WHEN YOU GOT THOSE DIRECTIONS?
Fuhrman: NO.
Q WHAT DID YOU THINK THAT YOU WERE GETTING THEM FOR?
Fuhrman: FOR DETECTIVE LANGE AND VANNATTER. I CAME BACK TO DOROTHY AND BUNDY, AND AS I APPROACHED DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, DETECTIVES LANGE AND VANNATTER WERE GETTING INTO THEIR VEHICLE OR THEY WERE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, AND I BELIEVE DETECTIVE LANGE WAS THE ONE THAT SAID, "RON, MARK, SHOW US THE WAY OR LEAD US UP THERE," OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, AND I GOT INTO THE VEHICLE WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS. NOT THE SAME VEHICLE, BUT OUR VEHICLE. HE WAS DRIVING AND I WAS PASSENGER. WELL, I LATER -- WHEN I GOT INTO THE VEHICLE WITH PHILLIPS, I ASKED WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND HE SAID, WELL, HE TALKED TO COMMANDER BUSHEY AND HE WANTED AN IN-PERSON NOTIFICATION.
Q WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE BUNDY, IF YOU RECALL?
Fuhrman: 5:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING.
Q OKAY. NOW, DID YOU AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS LOG OUT AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU LEFT, CHECK IN WITH THE OFFICER WHO HAD THE LOG?
Fuhrman: I DON'T RECALL, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME BACK FROM TALKING TO OFFICER RISKE IT WAS ALMOST IMMEDIATE, "GET IN THE CAR, LET'S GO." IF DETECTIVE PHILLIPS DID, HE LOGGED US BOTH OUT, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DIDN'T MAKE CONTACT AT THAT TIME THAT I REMEMBER.
Q THANK YOU. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET THERE?
Fuhrman: FIVE, TEN MINUTES. {estimate arrival: 5:07}

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Q AND AS YOU DROVE UP ROCKINGHAM, DID ANYTHING ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION?
Fuhrman: I NOTICED A WHITE VEHICLE PARKED BY THE DRIVEWAY ON -- ON ROCKINGHAM.
Q AT THE TIME THAT YOU FIRST SAW THAT WHITE VEHICLE, WAS THERE ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT IT THAT DREW YOUR ATTENTION OR WAS IT JUST THAT THERE WAS A WHITE CAR PARKED THERE?
Fuhrman: NO. I WAS ON THE PASSENGER SIDE AND WE PASSED THE VEHICLE AND IT WAS A WHITE FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE. I JUST -- I DIDN'T MAKE A -- MUCH OF A NOTE OF IT; I JUST NOTICED IT. HE TURNED RIGHT OR EASTBOUND ON ASHFORD AND PARKED JUST WEST OF THE ASHFORD GATE. I PARKED ON THE WEST SIDE.
Q AND IF YOU KNOW, SIR, WHERE DID DETECTIVES VANNATTER AND LANGE PARK?
Fuhrman: I BELIEVE THEY PULLED UP DIRECTLY TO THE REAR OF OUR VEHICLE. ALL FOUR OF US EXITED THE VEHICLE AND STOOD AROUND THE ASHFORD GATE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS VANNATTER OR LANGE STARTED RINGING THE BUZZER AT THE GATE.
Q BY MS. CLARK: DID YOU HAPPEN TO OBSERVE ANY VEHICLES WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION OF 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM AND PARKED -- YOU PARKED ON ASHFORD. DID YOU OBSERVE ANY VEHICLES NEARBY?
Fuhrman: THERE WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS A 280Z OR A ZX. DARK. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BROWN OR IT COULD HAVE EVEN BEEN DARK BLUE.
Q OKAY. SO YOU GOT OUT OF THE CAR. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
Fuhrman: VANNATTER AND LANGE, AND QUITE POSSIBLY DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND EVEN MYSELF, ATTEMPTED TO RING THE BUZZER.
Q OKAY. SO WERE ALL FOUR OF YOU STANDING TOGETHER AS THE BUZZER WAS BEING RUNG?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q. WHEN THE BUZZER WAS RUNG, WHEN IT WAS PRESSED, COULD YOU HEAR IT?
Fuhrman: I BELIEVE I COULD HEAR A PHONE RINGING INSIDE OR A RING.
Q DID ANYONE ANSWER?
Fuhrman: NO. WELL, THIS CONTINUED FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, TEN, FIFTEEN MINUTES. I BELIEVE AT LEAST THREE OF THE FOUR OF US WERE RINGING THE BELL.
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Q OKAY. SO YOU WERE ALL STANDING THERE TOGETHER AT THAT -- AT THE CALL BOX RINGING THE BELL?
Fuhrman: YES, IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
Q OKAY. AND AFTER THE TEN OR FIFTEEN MINUTES OF RINGING WITHOUT RECEIVING AN ANSWER, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
Fuhrman: I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS ON HIS CELLULAR PHONE AND VANNATTER AND LANGE REMAINED AT THE GATE AND I -- I WALKED WESTBOUND DOWN ASHFORD TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF ROCKINGHAM AND ASHFORD.
Q WHAT WERE YOU WEARING WHEN YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR CAR AFTER HAVING PARKED ON ASHFORD?
Fuhrman: WHITE SHIRT, TIE AND TAN SLACKS.
Q WERE YOU WEARING YOUR JACKET?
Fuhrman: NO.
Q WHERE WAS IT?
Fuhrman: IN THE VEHICLE.
Q SO WHEN YOU WENT TO THE CORNER OF ROCKINGHAM AND ASHFORD, SIR, WERE YOU ALONE OR WERE YOU WITH OTHER DETECTIVES?
Fuhrman: I WAS BY MYSELF. DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS STANDING SOMEWHAT IN THE STREET USING HIS CELLULAR PHONE, AND LANGE AND VANNATTER WERE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE FRONT GATE. ON ASHFORD.

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Fuhrman: I WAS JUST -- JUST LOOKING. I NOTICED SOME LIGHTS ON IN THE RESIDENCE THAT WERE ON THE ENTIRE TIME WE WERE THERE, AND I STARTED WALKING SOUTHBOUND ON ROCKINGHAM.
Q WHEN YOU WERE AT THE ASHFORD GATE WITH THE THREE OTHER DETECTIVES AND RINGING THAT -- PUSHING THE BUZZER, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY INSIDE THE GATES?
Fuhrman: YES. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A BLACK SAAB CONVERTIBLE, AND SOME -- SOME TYPE OF A LUXURY VEHICLE, A BLACK LUXURY VEHICLE.
Q AND YOU SAID YOU SAW LIGHTS INSIDE THE HOUSE?
Fuhrman: YES. THE MOST WESTERLY UPSTAIRS ROOM AND THE LOWER RIGHT BOTTOM FLOOR ROOM THAT I LATER FOUND THAT WAS A SITTING T.V. ROOM OFF THE KITCHEN.
Q COULD YOU SEE THEM?
Fuhrman: FOR A WHILE I COULD, BUT AFTER I WENT AROUND THE CORNER FROM ROCKINGHAM, I DON'T RECALL SEEING THEM. THERE IS A BIG FENCE.
I WAS JUST STROLLING ALONG LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, MAYBE I COULD SEE SOME MOVEMENT INSIDE OR NO REALLY APPARENT REASON. I WAS JUST WALKING. THERE SEEMED TO BE EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL AT THE GATE.
Q OKAY. SO YOU WALKED DOWN ROCKINGHAM AND WHAT DID YOU DO THEN?
Fuhrman: I WAS WALKING STRAIGHT FORWARD TOWARDS THIS WHITE BRONCO THAT WAS PARKED NORTHBOUND ON ROCKINGHAM ON THE EAST -- EAST CURB, AND AS I WAS WALKING TOWARD THE VEHICLE, IT SEEMS THAT IT WAS PARKED A LITTLE ASKEW OR A LITTLE -- TO ME IT LOOKED PARKED A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR THAT TYPE OF PARKING.

0522
Q NOW, WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACHED THE BRONCO, YOU APPROACHED IT FROM WHAT END?
Fuhrman: NORTH OF THE BRONCO. I WAS WALKING TOWARDS THE BRONCO AND I MADE THE -- I NOTICED THAT IT WAS JUST PARKED JUST A LITTLE ASKEW, A LITTLE STRANGELY. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS NO DIFFICULTY IN PARKING THERE, BUT YET IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS PARKED RATHER HAPHAZARDLY. WELL, IT APPEARED THAT IT WASN'T PULLED TO THE CURB EVENLY. THE REAR END WAS JUTTING OUT A LITTLE BIT AND THE TIRES WEREN'T STRAIGHT IN THE FRONT COMPLETELY. I WALKED CLOSER TO THE BRONCO, AND AS I APPROACHED TO THE LEFT OF THE BRONCO, WHICH WOULD BE EAST, ON THE PARKWAY, I SAW A BROKEN PIECE OF WOOD. IT WAS WHITE WOOD WITH A FRESHLY EXPOSED PIECE OF WOOD. WELL, IT LOOKED OUT OF PLACE. THERE WAS -- THIS IS A PARKWAY. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT RESEMBLED THIS. THERE WAS NO GARBAGE. THERE WAS NO LEAVES, LIMBS, ANYTHING. IT WAS JUST ODD AND I DID NOT SEE AT ANY TIME ANY TYPE OF WOOD FENCE ANYWHERE WHERE I CAME UP ROCKINGHAM OR ANYWHERE AROUND THE PREMISES.
Q BY MS. CLARK: AFTER YOU MADE THE OBSERVATION OF THAT PIECE OF WOOD, WHAT ELSE DID YOU DO?
Fuhrman: I WAS STILL TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE, AND JUST AS I PASSED THE FRONT BUMPER, I LAID THE BACK OF MY HAND TOWARDS WHERE THE RADIATOR PART OF THE ENGINE WOULD BE DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE HOOD. IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE WARM TO THE TOUCH AT ALL. I WALKED AROUND -- JUST TO SEE IF THE VEHICLE HAD BEEN DRIVEN RECENTLY. THEN I WALKED TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE VEHICLE, THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE VEHICLE AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE VEHICLE AS I WAS WALKING DOWN THE LENGTH OF IT.
Q OKAY. WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING FOR?
Fuhrman: OH, I DIDN'T KNOW. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I HAD SEEN. I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO ANSWER THE RESIDENCE RINGER OR DETECTIVE PHILLIPS TO OBTAIN SOME INFORMATION ON THE WHEREABOUTS OF ANYONE INSIDE IF HE COULD GET A -- I WAS WAITING FOR THEM TO GET SOMEONE TO ANSWER THE DOOR.
Q AND THE GATE, THE ROCKINGHAM GATE THAT THE BRONCO WAS PARKED JUST NORTH OF, WAS THAT CLOSED?
Fuhrman: YES, IT WAS.
Q AND THE ASHFORD GATE, WAS THAT CLOSED?
Fuhrman: YES, IT WAS.

Fuhrman's piece of wood
Q BY MS. CLARK: SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 107, SIR, CAN YOU TELL US -- YOU JUST DESCRIBED A WOODEN STICK THAT YOU SAW NEAR THE BRONCO SHORTLY AFTER 5:00 A.M. ON JUNE THE 13TH. DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT'S SHOWN TO YOU IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH? {people's 108}
Fuhrman: YES. IT APPEARS TO BE A -- DIRECTLY EAST OF THE RIGHT FRONT TIRE OF THE BRONCO ON THE PARKWAY.
Q WAS THERE ANY PAINT ON THAT WOOD?
Fuhrman: YES. IT APPEARED TO BE OLD WHITE PAINT.
Q THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME KIND OF A SMUDGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, A DARKER COLOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PIECE OF WOOD?
Fuhrman: YES.
Q BASED UPON YOUR RECOLLECTION, YOUR OBSERVATION OF THAT PIECE OF WOOD, SIR, DID THERE APPEAR TO BE ANY BLOOD ON IT?
Fuhrman: NO.
Q DO YOU -- THAT SMUDGE THAT YOU SEE THERE, DO YOU RECALL SEEING THAT DARKER SPOT ON THE WOOD WHEN YOU OBSERVED IT?
Fuhrman: YES, MA'AM. TO ME, IT LOOKED LIKE THE PATH OF A IRON NAIL THAT HAD RUSTED AND CAUSED RUST TO BE LEFT ON THE WOOD.
Q UH-HUH. WAS THERE ANY OTHER DEBRIS AROUND THAT PIECE OF WOOD ON THE LAWN?
Fuhrman: I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO.

0525
Q WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID YOU NOTICE ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE BRONCO AS YOU LOOKED AT IT?
Fuhrman: WELL, AS I WAS WALKING PAST THE VEHICLE, I NOTICED A SMALL SPOT ABOVE THE DOOR HANDLE OF THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE VEHICLE. WELL, THE VEHICLE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS WHITE AND IT STOOD OUT SOMEWHAT. IT WAS A VERY CLEAN VEHICLE. I TOOK THE SMALL FLASHLIGHT OFF MY BELT AND I USED THAT FLASHLIGHT TO LOOK AT THE SPOT. WELL, AT FIRST, IT JUST LOOKED LIKE A SPOT OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN. WHEN I TOOK THE FLASHLIGHT OUT, I LOOKED AT IT AND IT LOOKED REDDISH BROWN AND TRANSLUCENT QUALITIES TO IT AND APPEARED TO BE DRY BLOOD. THEN I CONTINUED TO LOOK FARTHER AROUND THE VEHICLE. AT ONE POINT, I ACTUALLY GOT DOWN ON MY HANDS AND KNEES AND LOOKED IN THE COMPLETE DOOR AREA, AND DOWN ON THE DOOR SILL I FOUND THREE OR FOUR SMALL LITTLE LINES WITH THE SAME COLOR AND QUALITIES THAT WERE EXHIBITED ABOVE THE DOOR HANDLE. {Match these to Fung's testimony.} AS YOU OPEN THE DRIVER'S DOOR, THE AREA THAT THE DRIVER'S DOOR WOULD OPEN TO EXPOSE AT THE BOTTOM WOULD BE CALLED THE DOOR SILL, AND THAT EDGE THAT IS EXPOSED TO THE EXTERIOR BUT STILL PART OF THE BOTTOM OF THE SILL, IT WAS ON THAT PART.
Q OKAY. WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU SAW ALL THAT?
Fuhrman: I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME, BUT I CONTINUED TO LOOK AT THE VEHICLE TO SEE IF I COULD OBSERVE ANYTHING ELSE. I ATTEMPTED TO LOOK IN THE VEHICLE WITH MY FLASHLIGHT. IT WASN'T VERY HIGH POWERED AND THERE WAS TINTED WINDOWS. SO THAT WAS SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT. AT ONE POINT, I CUPPED MY FLASHLIGHT AND TRIED TO GET THE BEAM TO FOCUS AS MUCH AS I COULD, AND I SAW A PACKAGE IN THE REAR CARGO AREA. I SAW "O.J. SIMPSON" ON THE ADDRESS OR "O.J. SIMPSON ENTERPRISES" AND "ATTENTION CATHY." {when did these get into the Bronco? It doesn't seem like something that would be left on a street.} THERE WAS A SHOVEL THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET LONG. IT WAS -- I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A POINTED OR A FLAT-NOSE SHOVEL, BUT IT WAS TURNED POINT DOWN; IN OTHER WORDS, THE CUTTING EDGE DOWN, AND THERE WAS A LARGE PIECE OF HEAVY GAUGE PLASTIC THAT WAS TUCKED IN A SIDE CARGO AREA IN THE REAR PART OF THE VEHICLE. THERE'S A POCKET AREA TO THE -- ON THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE VEHICLE. IN THE REAR CARGO AREA, AND IT WAS FOLDED AND IT WAS TUCKED IN THAT AREA. IT WAS A POCKET OR A NETTING. I'M NOT SURE WHICH IT WAS. IT SEEMED TO BE HELD THERE.
Q AFTER YOU MADE THOSE OBSERVATIONS, SIR, WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
Fuhrman: I WENT BACK TOWARDS ASHFORD AND I -- I DIDN'T WANT TO YELL TO THE OTHER DETECTIVES, BUT I WANTED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS I MADE. I SAW DETECTIVE LANGE UP TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF ASHFORD AND ROCKINGHAM, AND I BELIEVE I WALKED THAT AREA. I DIDN'T GET REAL CLOSE, BUT I GOT CLOSE ENOUGH WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE TO USE AN ELEVATED VOICE TO COMMUNICATE, AND I GOT DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND LANGE TO COME DOWN TO THE BRONCO.
Q NOW, WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU CONTACT -- MADE CONTACT WITH DETECTIVE LANGE, WHERE WAS HE?
Fuhrman: I THINK HE WAS ON ASHFORD AND ROCKINGHAM INTERSECTION MORE INBOARD OF ROCKINGHAM ON ASHFORD, BUT I COULD VISIBLY SEE HIM AS I WAS WALKING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION.
Q UH-HUH. AND DETECTIVE VANNATTER, WHERE WAS HE WHEN YOU MADE CONTACT WITH HIM?
Fuhrman: I DON'T RECALL SEEING HIM INITIALLY WHEN I TURNED AROUND. I BELIEVE HE WAS BACK TOWARDS THE GATE.

0528
Q SO YOU CONTACTED DETECTIVE LANGE FIRST AT THE CORNER OF ASHFORD AND ROCKINGHAM? AND AFTER YOU TOLD HIM WHAT YOU'D SEEN, WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
Fuhrman: WELL, I BELIEVE I SAID, "I THINK I SAW SOMETHING ON THE BRONCO," AND VANNATTER AND LANGE AND I BOTH WALKED DOWN THERE AT THE SAME TIME. I SHOWED THEM THE OBSERVATIONS. FIRST, THE -- AS WE WERE WALKING, I DESCRIBED THE WAY THE BRONCO FIRST KIND OF GOT MY ATTENTION. THEN I SHOWED THEM THE PIECE OF WOOD AND THEN THE SPOT THAT I THOUGHT WAS BLOOD, THE FOUR SMALL MARKS THAT I THOUGHT WAS BLOOD. I DESCRIBED WHAT WAS IN THE VEHICLE AND TRIED TO USE MY FLASHLIGHT AND GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO SEE THOSE ITEMS.
Phillips walks down street AT SOME POINT, DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WALKED DOWN THE STREET AND JOINED -- AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG HE STAYED THERE. I REMEMBER DETECTIVE VANNATTER SAID, "LET'S RUN THE VEHICLE"; IN OTHER WORDS, RUN A DMV ON THE VEHICLE.
Q AND DID YOU DO THAT, RUN THE DMV THAT IS?
Fuhrman: YES, I DID.
Q WHAT DID IT COME BACK TO?
Fuhrman: HERTZ RENT-A-CAR.
Q DID THAT GIVE YOU ANY FURTHER INFORMATION CONCERNING THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT WAS THE DEFENDANT'S VEHICLE?
Fuhrman: WELL, I HAD KNOWN THAT HE HAD WORKED FOR HERTZ RENT-A-CAR ONLY FROM COMMERCIALS. BUT THE PACKAGE IN THE REAR COUPLED WITH THE DMV, I CONCLUDED THAT AT THAT TIME. THAT HE COULD BE THE OWNER OR HIS CORPORATION, YES. WELL, AT THAT POINT, DETECTIVE LANGE WALKED BACK UP TOWARDS ASHFORD AND ROCKINGHAM AND I BELIEVE EVENTUALLY TO THE FRONT GATE AT ASHFORD AND DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND I STOOD FOR A MOMENT SEVERAL FEET IN FRONT OF THE BRONCO AND WE DISCUSSED EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD OBSERVED AND WHAT IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON WHAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO. WELL, WE WERE THERE TO MAKE NOTIFICATION, BUT WE WERE FAIRLY UNSUCCESSFUL AT RAISING ANYONE IN THE HOME. WELL, I DON'T KNOW -- I WASN'T DOING ANYTHING. I WAS NOT IN CHARGE. BUT AS FAR AS THE OBSERVATIONS ON THE BRONCO, I THINK DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND I BOTH VOCALIZED OUR CONCERN THAT COMING FROM THE SCENE OF A DOUBLE HOMICIDE AND NOW WE'RE AT THIS LOCATION WITH A VEHICLE PARKED AT THIS LOCATION WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS BLOOD AND WE BELIEVE IT BELONGED TO MR. SIMPSON.
{What does Vannatter say about this?} === Vannatter will NOT cover for {confirm} Fuhrman === Q YESTERDAY YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW YOUR REPORTS TO SEE IF YOU MADE ANY INDICATION IN ANY OF YOUR RECORDS AS TO WHETHER YOU WERE SHOWN ANY BLOOD SMEARS BY DETECTIVE FUHRMAN. HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, SIR?
Vannatter: YES. I DON'T RECALL HIM SHOWING ME ANY BLOOD SMEARS THAT MORNING.
Q AND THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT YOU WERE SHOWN ANY BLOOD SMEARS BY DETECTIVE FUHRMAN?
Vannatter: NO. I COULDN'T FIND ANY, NO.
Q AND IF DETECTIVE FUHRMAN TESTIFIED THAT THERE WERE BLOOD SMEARS ON THE DOOR, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO POINT OUT TO YOU, WOULD IT NOT?
Vannatter: HE MAY HAVE POINTED THEM OUT. I DON'T RECALL HIM DOING THAT.
Q WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT, IS IT NOT, WHAT BLOOD YOU SAW ON THE BRONCO AT ROCKINGHAM?
Vannatter: PARDON, SIR? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU.
Q IS THE OBSERVATION OF BLOOD ON THE BRONCO SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION LIKE THIS?
Vannatter: YES, SIR.
Q AND IF YOU WERE SHOWN BLOOD SMEARS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BRONCO, ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD REMEMBER?
Vannatter: I -- I -- I DON'T RECALL HIM SHOWING THEM TO ME. HE COULD HAVE. I DON'T RECALL IT.
Q MY QUESTION IS ISN'T THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD REMEMBER, IF THOSE WERE SHOWN TO YOU?
Vannatter: I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT SINCE I DON'T RECALL THEM BEING SHOWN TO ME.
Q DID YOU SEE ANY BLOOD TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR?
Vannatter: DOWN INSIDE THE VEHICLE? NO.
Q DID IT EVER DAWN ON YOU THAT DETECTIVE FUHRMAN MUST HAVE GONE INSIDE THAT CAR FOR HIM TO SEE THOSE BLOOD SPOTS? I'M TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE THE VEHICLE. WAS THERE A LOT OF BLOOD ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE VEHICLE THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE AT ANY POINT IN TIME?
Vannatter: YES. I DON'T RECALL SEEING THE BLOOD SMEARS ALONG THE PANEL OF THE DOOR AT THE BOTTOM.
=== Vannatter ducks question === Q DID YOU EVER SEE THOSE BLOOD SMEARS?
Vannatter: I SAW A REPORT THAT THEY WERE TESTED PRESUMPTIVE FOR BLOOD.
Q DID YOU EVER SEE THOSE BLOOD SMEARS YOURSELF?
Vannatter: I DON'T RECALL SEEING THEM, NO, SIR.
Q DID YOU TESTIFY YESTERDAY THAT YOU DID SEE THEM?
Vannatter: NO, SIR, I DID NOT.
Q DID YOU TESTIFY YESTERDAY THAT YOU DID NOT RECALL SEEING THE BLOOD SMEARS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BRONCO THAT NIGHT BUT YOU DID SEE THEM AT SOME LATER TIME?
Vannatter: I DON'T BELIEVE I SAID THAT. I DON'T RECALL SEEING THOSE SMEARS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR.
=== ? Blood there at later time ? === Q BY MR. SHAPIRO: WHEN CRIMINALIST FUNG CAME OUT AT YOUR ORDER, DID HE TEST ANYTHING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BRONCO FOR BLOOD?
Vannatter: I BELIEVE THAT TESTING WAS DONE AT A LATER DATE.
=== Was someone injured? ===

0545
Q DID YOU ATTEMPT TO GET ANY FURTHER INFORMATION OR TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS FURTHER INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM WESTEC ABOUT WHETHER -- ABOUT THE -- WHETHER YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO FIND SOMEONE IN THE RESIDENCE?
Fuhrman: WELL, I BELIEVE THAT WE EVENTUALLY OR DETECTIVE PHILLIPS EVENTUALLY GOT THE RESIDENCE PHONE NUMBER INSIDE THE RESIDENCE, WHICH WAS UNSUCCESSFUL TO RAISE ANYBODY.
Q SO HE HAD CALLED INTO THE RESIDENCE, HAD HE?
Fuhrman: YES. I DON'T KNOW IF HE ACQUIRED THAT FROM WESTEC OR THE WATCH COMMANDER, BUT --
Q NOW, DID YOU HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH THE WESTEC UNIT?
Fuhrman: THERE WAS A WESTEC UNIT THAT WAS TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON ROCKINGHAM THAT PARKED HIS VEHICLE ON ROCKINGHAM AND EXITED THAT VEHICLE AND WALKED TOWARDS ME. WESTEC'S A PRIVATE SECURITY FIRM THAT -- AN ARMED SECURITY FIRM THAT USUALLY INSTALLS ALARMS AND THEY HAVE RESPONSE UNITS THAT CAN INVESTIGATE ANYTHING FROM A PANIC ALARM TO A POSSIBLE BURGLAR TO TRESPASSING. AS THE WESTEC SERGEANT WAS PASSING MYSELF, I STOPPED HIM AND I SAID, "IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT HOME NOW," AND HE RESPONDED THAT, "WELL, THERE'S A LIVE-IN MAID THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY." WELL, I DIRECTLY WENT BACK TO DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND LANGE'S LOCATION BY THE ASHFORD GATE AND INFORMED THEM OF THAT SITUATION OR THAT INFORMATION. WELL, I THINK IT HAD TO BE 30 OR 40 MINUTES SINCE WE'D BEEN THERE. IT'S PROBABLY A QUARTER TO 6:00, 10 TO 6:00.
=== Is Clark laying foundation for Not Guilty Verdict ?=== [ In the Arnelle and Kaelin testiomny she underscores 5:00-5:30. Yet here, she has established that It's nearly six before they enter the property. In deliberations this would serve to show that an individual waking does not know the time. -- the Stern testimony dies here. Did Marcia Clark want Simpson to go free? Or is she stupid? ] === ===

0550
Q YOU TELL ME. AT ABOUT QUARTER TO 6:00 OR 10 TO 6:00, WHERE WERE YOU?
Fuhrman: WE WERE AT THE ASHFORD GATE, THE THREE OF US, AND I BELIEVE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS STILL ON THE CELLULAR PHONE. WELL, WHAT WE'D BEEN CONFRONTED WITH. WE HAD SOME SMALL PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT QUITE POSSIBLY, SOMEBODY HAD LEFT THE BUNDY SCENE AND COME TO THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION. DETECTIVE VANNATTER WAS DOING MOST OF THE TALKING. WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED OUR CONCERNS WITH ANOTHER POSSIBLE VICTIM OR A KIDNAP TYPE ROBBERY, MURDER SUICIDE. WE HAD NO IDEA EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE CONFRONTED WITH AT THAT POINT. AT SOME POINT, A CONCLUSION WAS MADE BY DETECTIVE VANNATTER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET INTO THE COMPOUND AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM. THERE WAS A QUESTION HOW -- HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, AND I SUGGESTED, "YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THE WALL?"
Q AND WERE YOU IN THE BEST PHYSICAL SHAPE OF THE FOUR DETECTIVES THERE?
Fuhrman: WELL, I DON'T -- YOU KIND OF PUT ME ON THE SPOT, BUT I THINK I WAS THE TALLEST DETECTIVE. I WAS THE YOUNGEST, YES.
Q WHAT WERE YOU WEARING AT THAT TIME?
Fuhrman: WHITE SHIRT, TIE, SLACKS. NO JACKET.
Q ALL RIGHT. SO YOU ASKED DETECTIVE VANNATTER IF HE WANTED YOU TO GO OVER THE WALL?
Fuhrman: I THINK I MADE THE STATEMENT AND THEN HE JUST SAID, "OKAY." I JUMPED THE WALL JUST TO THE LEFT OR EAST OF THE ASHFORD GATE, LANDED ON THE OTHER SIDE, CAME AROUND AND RELEASED THE HYDRAULIC ARM TO THE GATE ON ASHFORD AND LET THE OTHER DETECTIVES INTO THE LOCATION. I BELIEVE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND VANNATTER WERE SOMEWHAT AHEAD WALKING AND THEN DETECTIVE LANGE AND THEN MYSELF TRAILING AND DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WENT TO THE FRONT DOOR. I WAS STANDING TO THE REAR OF THE GROUP AND I'M NOT SURE IF VANNATTER OR PHILLIPS WERE KNOCKING. BUT FOR A COUPLE MINUTES, WE STOOD THERE AND KNOCKED AT THE FRONT DOOR AND RECEIVED NO RESPONSE.
Q HOW LONG DID -- WHO DID THE KNOCKING? DO YOU REMEMBER?
Fuhrman: IT WAS PHILLIPS OR VANNATTER. I TEND TO THINK IT WAS PHILLIPS, BUT I CAN'T BE ABSOLUTELY SURE.
Q OKAY. AND YOU JUST STOOD WITH THEM?
Fuhrman: I STOOD BEHIND SEVERAL FEET.
Q WHAT WERE YOU DOING?
Fuhrman: JUST STANDING WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO ANSWER THE DOOR. VANNATTER AND PHILLIPS LEFT THE FRONT DOOR AREA, AND WE ALL TURNED AND PHILLIPS AND VANNATTER STARTED WALKING BACK TOWARDS THE FRONT GATE AND THEN ENTERED A WALKWAY THAT WENT ALONGSIDE TO THE HOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE. THIS AREA THAT'S MARKED AS "ENTRANCE," THAT IS THE FRONT DOOR AREA. WE TURNED AROUND AND WALKED NORTHBOUND UNTIL WE COME TO THIS PATH THAT IS BEIGE IN COLOR ON THIS CHART AND IT'S SOMEWHAT IN KIND OF AN "S", CIRCLES AROUND TO THE REAR OF THE -- REAR OF THE RESIDENCE. IT CONTINUES AROUND AND STARTS TO GO SOUTHBOUND UP SOME STAIRS INTO A PATIO AREA NEXT TO THE POOL. YES. I BELIEVE IT WAS -- {the dog} MIGHT HAVE CAME OUT OF THE PATHWAY AREA, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT WHERE THE PATHWAY MEETS THE DRIVEWAY, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
MS. CLARK: FOR THE RECORD, THE WITNESS WAS INDICATING THE SOUTHERN POINT OF THE INTERSECTION OF THE PATHWAY AND THE DRIVEWAY.
Q BY MS. CLARK: AND WHAT DID THE DOG LOOK LIKE?
Fuhrman: BLACK, LONG-HAIRED -- I COULDN'T TELL THE BREED. IT LOOKED MAYBE LIKE SOME KIND OF A MIX OR SHEPHERD TYPE DOG, ALL BLACK. WELL, WE STOPPED BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE ABOUT TO BE BIT, AND THEN THE DOG DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. SO WE KIND OF WALKED BY AND HE JUST ALLOWED US TO. HE DIDN'T BARK AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW. WE JUST -- WHEN HE WALKED BY, THAT WAS FINE WITH ME, AND WE CONTINUED. I WAS IN THE REAR. I WAS REALLY DOING NOTHING. I WAS JUST FOLLOWING THESE DETECTIVES THAT WERE WALKING ALONG THIS PATHWAY. I SAW THE LAWN AND THE PATHWAY AND WALKING INTO THE POOL AREA, JUST SAW THE POOL AREA. NOTHING -- NOTHING UNUSUAL. WE WALKED ONTO THE PATIO AREA. I THINK -- I THINK PHILLIPS AND VANNATTER PROBABLY SLOWED SOMEWHAT AND LOOKED AROUND, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY VERBALIZE, BUT I KIND OF ASSUMED THAT SOMEONE SAW SOMETHING DOWN IN THIS AREA THAT THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT OR KNOCK ON. I DON'T KNOW. WE WALKED DOWN THIS AREA ONTO THIS AREA HERE. I RECALL THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE PAUSE AND THEN CONTINUING DOWN TO THIS PATIO AREA, AND THIS IS WHERE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS APPROACHED THIS DOORWAY OF WHAT IS DESCRIBED HERE AS KAELIN'S ROOM (INDICATING). I SAW DETECTIVE PHILLIPS LOOK TOWARDS THE DOOR AND HE WENT UP TO IT, AND I THINK ABOUT AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS ABOUT TO KNOCK, I COULD TELL IT WAS A GLASS PANE DOOR AND THERE WAS WOOD LOUVERS ON THE INSIDE AND SOME OF THEM WERE OPEN. DETECTIVE PHILLIPS COULD -- HE SAW SOMETHING, HE TURNED BACK AND SAID, "THERE'S A GUY ON THE BED," OR, "THERE'S SOMEONE LYING ON THE BED," SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND HE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER, SOMEONE CAME TO THE DOOR.
{mar 10 = 5/9, 5/10}

0745
Q YOU FILLED OUT THE AFFIDAVIT FOR THE SEARCH WARRANT AT WHAT TIME, SIR?
Vannatter: I STARTED THAT APPROXIMATELY 7:45 IN THE MORNING.
=== On Stating that Simpson Trip "Unexpected" === Vannatter: I DID WRITE THAT IN THE SEARCH WARRANT, YES.
Q AND YOU SIGNED THAT UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY?
Vannatter: YES. THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
Q AND THAT WASN'T TRUE, WAS IT?
Vannatter: I FIND -- I FOUND OUT LATER THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS INCORRECT. THAT WAS BASED ON ARNELLE SIMPSON'S RESPONSE THAT MORNING, AS WELL AS KATO KAELIN TELLING ME THAT HE HAD RECEIVED A PHONE CALL AFTER SIMPSON HAD LEFT THE RESIDENCE TELLING HIM TO ALARM THE HOUSE, THAT HE WAS GOING TO CHICAGO ON A BUSINESS TRIP FOR HERTZ.
=== Lie included in Warrant ===Q AND DID YOU ALSO INDICATE, UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, SIR, THAT YOU OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO BE HUMAN BLOOD, WHICH WAS LATER CONFIRMED BY A CRIMINALIST TO BE HUMAN BLOOD?
Vannatter: YES, I SAID THAT.
Q AND ISN'T IT TRUE AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS NOT A TEST TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS HUMAN BLOOD?
Vannatter: THAT IS TRUE.
Q REGARDING THE GLOVE THAT YOU SAW, WHERE IN YOUR REPORTS REGARDING ROCKINGHAM DID YOU SHOW THAT A GLOVE WAS FOUND AT ROCKINGHAM?
Vannatter: IT IS IN THE SEARCH WARRANT AND IT IS ALSO IN THE FOLLOW-UP REPORT.
Q IT IS IN THE -- I SAID WHERE IN YOUR NOTES ARE THEY SHOWN?
Vannatter: THERE ARE NO NOTES.
Q WHERE IN DETECTIVE LANGE'S NOTES IS IT SHOWN THAT A GLOVE WAS FOUND AT ROCKINGHAM?
Vannatter: I -- I -- I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS IN LANGE'S NOTES.
Q WHERE IN DETECTIVE PHILLIPS' NOTES IS IT SHOWN THAT A GLOVE WAS FOUND AT ROCKINGHAM?
Vannatter: I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS ANY NOTES.
Q WHERE IN DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S NOTES IS IT SHOWN THAT A GLOVE WAS FOUND IN ROCKINGHAM?
Vannatter: IT IS NOT, SIR.
MR. SHAPIRO: WHERE IN THE CHRONOLOGICAL RECORD DOES IT INDICATE THAT ANY OF THE FOUR OFFICERS THERE RECOVERED A GLOVE?
Vannatter: IT DOESN'T.
=== Vannatter statements in Warrant, undocumented in reports ===Q AND WHAT TIME DID YOU BEGIN WRITING THE SEARCH WARRANT?
Vannatter: BETWEEN 7:45 AND EIGHT O'CLOCK.
Q AND WAS THE SEARCH WARRANT THE SECOND THING, OR RATHER, THE THIRD THING THAT YOU WROTE THAT MORNING?
Vannatter: YES.
Q DID YOU DESCRIBE THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM IN THE SEARCH WARRANT?
Vannatter: YES.
Q DID YOU DESCRIBE HAVING SEEN BLOOD ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BRONCO?
Vannatter: YES.
Q DID YOU INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT THE GLOVE FOUND AT ROCKINGHAM RESEMBLED THE GLOVE AT BUNDY?
Vannatter: YES.
Q DID YOU INDICATE IN THE SEARCH WARRANT AFFIDAVIT THAT YOU OBSERVED BLOOD DROPLETS LEADING FROM THE BRONCO TO THE FRONT DOOR OF MR. SIMPSON'S ESIDENCE?
Vannatter: YES.
Q DID YOU INDICATE THAT YOU HAD SPOKEN TO ARNELLE SIMPSON?
Vannatter: YES.

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Q BY MR. SHAPIRO: WHEN YOU RETURNED TO -- DID YOU EVER RETURN TO THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE PRIOR TO THE TAPE BEING REMOVED?
Vannatter: YES, I DID.
Q WHEN WAS THAT?
Vannatter: IT WAS ON TWO OCCASIONS. I STOPPED THERE ON MY WAY FROM ROCKINGHAM TO WEST LOS ANGELES STATION TO INFORM MY PARTNER OF WHAT I WAS PREPARING TO DO.
Q AND THAT WAS TO GET A SEARCH WARRANT?
Vannatter: YES. AND THEN I STOPPED BACK BY THERE ON MY WAY BACK TO ROCKINGHAM WITH THE WARRANT TO INFORM MY PARTNER OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.

1045
Q AND WHAT TIME DID YOU PRESENT IT TO A MAGISTRATE, SIR?
Vannatter: IT WAS SIGNED AT 10:45.

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Q BY MR. SHAPIRO: CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT VIDEO, SIR?
Vannatter: YES. I SAW THREE PEOPLE FROM THE START. IT WAS MYSELF, LIEUTENANT ROGERS AND CRIMINALIST FUNG.
Q CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE PERSON THAT APPEARS TO BE STANDING ON A SHEET COVERED WITH BLOOD?
Vannatter: YES. THAT IS MYSELF.
MR. SHAPIRO: THANK YOU.

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Q OKAY. WHAT TIME DID YOU FIRST MAKE CONTACT WITH THE DEFENDANT?
Vannatter: PERSONAL CONTACT?
Q YES.
Vannatter: SHORTLY AFTER 12:00 NOON THE FOLLOWING DAY, OR THE SAME DAY, I'M SORRY.

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Q BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU DISCUSS WITH MR. SIMPSON HIS CUT FINGER? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT YES OR NO?
Lange: YES.
Q AND WAS THAT WHEN YOU WERE DOWNTOWN AT THE PARKER CENTER AFTER 1:30 ON JUNE 13TH, 1994, SIR?
Lange: YES.
=== Sent Officer to Chicago === Q NOW, AS PART OF YOUR INVESTIGATION HERE, YOU ALSO -- DID YOU SEND OFFICERS TO CHICAGO AS PART OF THE INVESTIGATION?
Lange: YES, I DID.
Lange: DETECTIVES LUPER --
Q BY MR. COCHRAN: WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE OFFICER OR OFFICERS YOU SENT TO CHICAGO, SIR, IN THIS CASE?
Lange: DETECTIVES LUPER, L-U-P-E-R, AND LE FALL, CAPITAL L-E CAPITAL F-A-L-L.
Q AND CAN YOU TELL US, DETECTIVE, WHEN THEY WENT TO CHICAGO AS PART OF THIS INVESTIGATION?
Lange: I BELIEVE IT WAS SHORTLY AFTER THE MURDERS, A WEEK OR SO, 10 DAYS. I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY.
Q A WEEK --
Lange: PERHAPS LONGER.

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=== Simpson Blood Sample is Drawn === Vannatter: YES. THERE WAS A TAG THAT WAS PUT ON IT WITH MR. SIMPSON'S NAME AND THE DATE AND TIME IT WAS DRAWN.
Q WHO PUT THAT ON?
Vannatter: THE NURSE.
Q WHAT TIME WAS IT DRAWN?
Vannatter: I COULD LOOK AT THE RECORD AND TELL YOU EXACTLY. I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME. IT WAS BETWEEN 3:00 AND 3:30, APPROXIMATELY.
Q BETWEEN 3:00 AND 3:30?

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Q YOU LEFT, YOU SAY, AT THE LATEST, AT 3:30 FROM PARKER CENTER?
Vannatter: NO. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I THINK IT WAS -- I THINK IT WAS AROUND FOUR O'CLOCK THAT I LEFT PARKER CENTER.
Q WELL, YOU GOT THE BLOOD AT 3:30?
Vannatter: YEAH. I DIDN'T LEAVE IMMEDIATELY FROM THERE.
Q WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER YOU GOT THE BLOOD?
Vannatter: I WENT BACK UP TO MY OFFICE.
Q FOR WHAT?
Vannatter: TO START ASSEMBLING SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE INFORMATION I HAD AND -- AND TO ORGANIZE MYSELF AND THEN TO GO OUT TO ROCKINGHAM.
Q HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TAKEN BLOOD FROM PARKER CENTER OUT TO A CRIME SCENE?
Vannatter: I DON'T KNOW. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T RECALL RIGHT NOW ANY OTHER TIME THAT I HAVE DONE THAT.

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The assertion Q AND DID YOU FIND A BLOOD TRIAL AT ALL IN THE DEFENDANT'S BEDROOM?
Vannatter: YES.
The specific questionsQ BY MR. SHAPIRO: DID YOU FIND ANY BLOOD ON THE STEPS LEADING UP TO MR. SIMPSON'S BEDROOM?
Vannatter: NO, SIR.
Q AND DID YOU FIND ANY BLOODSTAINS ON THAT CARPET?
Vannatter: NO.
Q DID YOU TAKE THAT CARPET FOR EVIDENCE?
Vannatter: NO.
Q OKAY. NOW, WHAT ABOUT THE THROW CARPET THAT THE SOCKS ARE ON THAT ARE ON TOP OF THE CARPET IN THE ROOM?
Vannatter: THAT'S -- THAT APPEARS TO BE TWO TONE, MAYBE BROWN AND LIGHT TAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
Q WAS THERE ANY BLOOD ON THAT CARPET?
Vannatter: I DON'T RECALL ANY BEING THERE, NO.
Q WAS THAT CARPET SEIZED?
Vannatter: NO.
Q THE SOCKS THAT WERE THERE, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT WHEN THOSE SOCKS WERE RECOVERED ON THE 13TH, THAT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF BLOOD ON THOSE SOCKS?
THE WITNESS: NO EVIDENCE OF BLOOD ON THE 13TH?
Q BY MR. SHAPIRO: YES, ON THOSE SOCKS.
MR. SHAPIRO: ON THE 13TH, THERE WAS PHENO TESTING DONE ON 13 ITEMS OF EVIDENCE IN THAT BEDROOM, BATHROOM AREA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SOCKS. MICHELLE KESTLER'S HANDWRITTEN NOTE INDICATES THAT SHE EXAMINED THOSE SOCKS ON THE 29TH OF JUNE AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF BLOOD ON THOSE SOCKS. THEY WERE SENT OUT TO THE LABORATORY AND IT WAS NOT UNTIL PHENO, PRESUMPTIVE TEST FOR BLOOD WAS RUN. I THINK THIS DIRECTLY IMPEACHES THIS WITNESS, YOUR HONOR.
THE COURT: LET ME CHECK MY NOTES.
=== But where they tested with everything else ? ===
Q BY MR. SHAPIRO: YOU DIRECTED THE CHEMIST -- I AM SORRY. YOU DIRECTED THE CRIMINALIST, MR. FUNG, TO DO CERTAIN TESTS FOR BLOOD ON THE 13TH; DID YOU NOT?
Vannatter: YES.
Q AND MANY ITEMS WERE TESTED FOR BLOOD; WERE THEY NOT?
Vannatter: YES.
Q IN FACT, 13 ITEMS THAT YOU HAD INTEREST IN WERE TESTED FOR BLOOD AT ROCKINGHAM; IS THAT CORRECT?
Vannatter: I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER.
Q DID YOU EVER SEE THE SOCKS ON THE 13TH?
Vannatter: NO, I -- NO, I DID NOT.
Q BY MR. SHAPIRO: DID YOU ORDER MR. FUNG TO PHENO TEST THE SOCKS ON THE 13TH?
Vannatter: NO, I DID NOT. === Why doesn't he see/remember KEY evidence ? ===
Q ISN'T IT TRUE THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM THAT WAS RECOVERED ON THE 13TH FROM THE BEDROOM AREA THAT WAS NOT PHENO TESTED?
THE WITNESS: I DON'T KNOW THAT.

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Q HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET FROM PARKER CENTER TO ROCKINGHAM AT FOUR O'CLOCK?
Vannatter: AS I RECALL, THE TRAFFIC WAS PRETTY HEAVY. I THINK IT TOOK AN HOUR, MAYBE A LITTLE OVER AN HOUR.
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Q I'M SAYING DID YOU LOG IN?
Vannatter: I BELIEVE THE LOGGING OFFICER LOGGED ME IN, YES.
Q WHAT TIME DID HE LOG YOU IN AT?
Vannatter: I THINK AT APPROXIMATELY 5:20, AS I RECALL.
Q SO WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN FIVE O'CLOCK AND 5:20 WHEN YOU GOT THERE BEFORE YOU LOGGED IN?
Vannatter: WELL, IT IS TOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR A MINUTE BY MINUTE ACCOUNTING. I DROVE STRAIGHT TO ROCKINGHAM, CHECKED IN AND IMMEDIATELY GAVE THE BLOOD TO THE CRIMINALIST WHO HAD FINISHED HIS WORK AND WAS LEAVING.
Q ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE ONLY ACCOUNTING FOR TIME THAT IS REPORTED IS THE TIME THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH YOU SAY IS 3:30 AND THE TIME THAT YOU LOGGED IN AT ROCKINGHAM, WHICH IS 5:20, ALMOST TWO HOURS?
Vannatter: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

Travel Time to Rockingham &/or Bundy
BY MR. KELLY: Okay. And could you tell me approximately how long a drive it is from where you gave that statement back to your residence at Rockingham in terms of time?
Mr. Simpson: Depending on traffic.
BY MR. KELLY: Well, could you approximate for me? Is it less than a half hour?
Mr. Simpson: If there's no traffic, probably, yes.
BY MR. KELLY: Okay. Can you make it in 15 minutes without traffic?
Mr. Simpson: Maybe.
BY MR. KELLY: Okay. And the same holds true for 875 Bundy?
Mr. Simpson: I would think so, yes.
QUERY: Why did it take Vannatter an hour?
- Rockingham to Bundy - Five Minutes {5:05 PM}
- Bundy to Station - Thirty to Forty-five Minutes {4:20 to 4:55 PM}
- Vannatter's claimed Travel time - One Hour
- Available time - TEN MINUTES
Vannatter had at least ten minutes which could have been used to plant the blood at Bundy before delivering the vial to Fung, at Rockingham. Arriving there around 4:55, he would have gone directly to the rear and remained unobserved by, Smith -- the only remaining photographer at Bundy, who was just leaving for Rockingham. Note that the last entry in the Bundy Chronology Log was made at 3:45 PM -- thereafter, the crime scene was dismantled. The crime scene was dismantled fully an hour before Vannatter would have arrived. As senior and lead detective the order to dismantle should have been delivered by Vannatter -- he would therefore have known. If he were seen stoping there, it would be described as part of his responsibility.
Vannatter would have to be "honest" about the lapsed time; there is always the possibility that he was seen leaving the station by an individual who had reason to note the time, and his arrival at Rockingham was recorded by the media. Return to Vannatter

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Q HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET FROM PARKER CENTER TO ROCKINGHAM AT FOUR O'CLOCK?Vannatter: AS I RECALL, THE TRAFFIC WAS PRETTY HEAVY. I THINK IT TOOK AN HOUR, MAYBE A LITTLE OVER AN HOUR.

Q HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET FROM PARKER CENTER TO ROCKINGHAM AT FOUR O'CLOCK?
Vannatter: AS I RECALL, THE TRAFFIC WAS PRETTY HEAVY. I THINK IT TOOK AN HOUR, MAYBE A LITTLE OVER AN HOUR.